Hi Don,

Is this the drawing tube you were talking about?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=019&item=290014008241
I know I will have to make an adapter to fit it to my WL but I am getting ready to make a run of them to make a m42 Pentax to Zeiss dove tail fitting and while I am set up one more is not much







Pierre'r Scope


Pierre'r Scope

Hi Don, Roger, Pierre, et. la

I must have been asleep or near asleep when I wrote that. I have a GFL by my desk. I got one with a fitting  like my WL that will take all the objective holders that  Zeiss (west) made. The curve on the arm is wrong on Pierre's scope.

I don't see that Zeiss logo on Zeiss Jena in the USA. Early on we recognizedly Zeiss West's ownership of the Carl Zeiss name an Logo. The GFL came from Binkmann about the same time as the scope of Pierre's was made and Binkmann was selling Zeiss aus Jenna as their house name. I had one of those too.

If it's a Zeiss aus Jenna every dovetail I have seed on the head piece is larger than Zeiss (west). I expect that was intentional done so the part from the Zeiss aua Jenna don't fit..

I expect the fact the Nachet 300 can fit on a Zeiss.

wouldn't interchange. Zeiss aus Jenna dovetails are slightly smaller than some Nikon headpieces. I don't expect that Zeiss (west) felt threatened when the Nachet 300 dovetail was near enough the same west scope only concerns the frece it would fit if the screws were backed off a bit.


My Carl Zeiss (west) GHL

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On 8/8/06, Don Williams <don.williams@pp.inet.fi> wrote:

The stand is a Zeiss 'W'. Made in Jena at about the same time as the GFL
in Oberkochen, or a little earlier. It takes the same Optovar and other
attachments -- almost -- as the GFL. 'Zeiss Optical Instruments' sold a
few of them in South Africa in about 1959-60. Emile will know. Ask him.

But they were dropped by 'Zeiss OI' in favour of the Oberkochen range of
instruments. There were certain differences, but I can't remember what
they were. Some things didn't fit. There was one in the department, with
a drawing attachment (which didn't fit the GFL) used by someone doing a
PhD on Dinoflagellates. In the end it gathered dust in the store.

Don W
rn8080 wrote:


Hi Pierre, Gordon,

Sorry Gordon, but I doubt Pierre's microscope is a Zeiss GFL.

The shape of the GFL stand is a nice smooth curve, Pierre's
microscope makes an angle.

The GFL stand base (foot) has a hole in its bottom back for a lamp
socket "tube" to be inserted.

If you look at Pierre's second picture taken from the back, there is
no hole in the base of his scope.

According to two of my Zeiss German documentations (a very nice 41
pages booklet with numerous pictures and an 8 pages prices list),
Pierre's microscope looks very much like a Zeiss-OPTON Stativ-W
model. The booklet's front page shows the same scope as the one on
the first picture of Pierre but with an elegant logo "Zeiss Opton"
engraved under the big stage control knob which is missing on
<snip>
Pierre's (that's why he can't identified it!)..

Here are different characteristics I can find from the
documentations (they are dated 1952, January 31 for the prices list)
which should be useful to help Pierre to check if his microscope is
indeed a Zeiss-Opton (but perhaps I am wrong because I only deduce
them from the pictures):

* The first thing which seems to make easy to recognize a Zeiss-
Opton is the unusual binocular with its round shaped base and the
graduation marks (please look at Pierre's second picture) but I am
not familiar with the pre-WW II microscopes so perhaps this kind of
binocular already existed before. It surely does not exist for post-
WW II Standard, GFL, WL, Universal etc. West Zeiss microscopes.

* The stage holder is not the Zeiss Standard semi-circular 4 screws
type but is a semi-full (void in its middle) disk with, underneath,
in its middle, a female bayonet thread for fixing the condenser (see
below).

* The condenser seems to be fixed directly to the stage holder
(which acts also as a condenser holder) by a bayonet-like thread
(like an objective on a SRL camera?). You never find this kind of
fixation in the other post-WW II West Carl Zeiss microscopes.

* A picture of the bottom part of the optovar shows a round dovetail
but with a bayonet fixation. So I presume (there are no pictures)
it's the same dovetail shape for the fixation of the binocular and
the phototube. In comparison, the corresponding parts (condensers,
mono and binocular tubes, phototubes, optovar etc.) of the other
West Carl Zeiss microscopes all have a strictly male rounded
dovetail shape.

* The incident (transmitted) illumination comes from a 15W lamp
socket installed in an unusual huge hole in the stand's base,
beneath the condenser. So there is no hole at the bottom back of the
stand as like the Zeiss Standard to insert a lamp socket tube, nor
the possibility to put a mirror under the condenser because the hole
in the base looks very large.

* Most of the accessories (eyepieces, objectives, condensers, POL
filters, light source, power supply) are engraved with the
logo "Zeiss- Opton". The binocular don't seem to have this engraving
nor the optovar but perhaps it's because I don't have the right
picture angle.

In conclusion, in my opinion, the Zeiss OPTON is a post-WW II high
level microscope (it's versatile, with Phase contrast and POL, 6
types of condenser one being of a Zernike pancake type, optovar
etc.).

The first Zeiss GFL was made as early as 1949 (please see
http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/museum/taylorzeiss.html
<http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/museum/taylorzeiss.html>) so the
Zeiss-Optonis is contemporary to the Zeiss GFL, but technically, its
specifications make it a pre-Zeiss Standard (and GFL) scope (no real
vertical illumination for example), its accessories seem not to be
interchangeable with their Zeiss Standard counterparts, the fixation
methods not being the same.

In case Pierre's scope is a Zeiss-Opton, the next question will be
to explain why it does not have the logo "Zeiss Opton" engraved on
the stand.

According to http://www.company7.com/zeiss/history.html
<http://www.company7.com/zeiss/history.html> "Carl Zeiss -
A History Of A Most Respected Name In Optics", the brand name Zeiss
Opton began to be used after 1947 in West Germany.

A hypothesis could be that Pierre's microscope is a very early
version, before the brand name "Zeiss Opton" was officially used in
1947?

Another hypothesis could be that in the confusion of the immediate
post-WW II, this type of microscope was also manufactured by the
East German Zeiss at Jena, in parallel with the official West German
Zeiss-Opton production? (the design of the Opton scope was perhaps
conceived before the separation of Germany in two parts?). I know
nothing about the East German Jena scope production but I remember
having seen on Ebay the bayonet dovetail style on few of their
scopes.

A third explanation could be that it is a clone made by a third
party, but I doubt, because immediately after WW II there were not
so many manufacturers able to produce microscopes of this quality.

And after that, what was the history of the Zeiss-Opton ?

Best regards,

Roger
[Gordon replied in error]gcc
--- In Microscope@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Microscope%40yahoogroups.com,
"Gordon Couger"
<gordon.couger@... wrote:

Hi Pierre,

It is a GFL with an Optivar, good illumination and I am not sure
about the
30 degree rotation of in the head.

I like the little stands. I just got a bare one that has takes the
dovetail
noise piece.

Gordon
On 7/31/06, Houssin <pierre.houssin@... wrote:

Hi,

You can see an old Zeiss in my Photo Albums P.Houssin
http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/Microscope/photos/view/a42f?b=6
<http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/Microscope/photos/view/a42f?b=6>
> http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/Microscope/photos/view/a42f?b=7
<http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/Microscope/photos/view/a42f?b=7>
I don't find any catalog that contains it : somebody knows
something
about it ?

Best regards
Pierre